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General Surena · Jun 29, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Hm,

I am totally for alternative ways of getting Obsidian armours. Absolute High-End armour should also be accessible by dedicated ways of playing, not just ebay gold, power trading or 24/7 human farmbots.

gabrial heart · Jun 29, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

I'd be up for the whole deal, minus messing with balthazars faction. PVP players are a different breed and most of them could care less about ecto/shards. Also you can earn balths faction from ANY pvp battle now, including alliance battles, zashin challenges, jade arena and so on... so those are right now not specifically tied to UW/FOW. So no on the messing with balths faction. Perhaps if you were to mention some kind of reward for uw/fow quest completion outside of the current system, it would benifit the cause a bit better.

I laugh at those that are on about "promoting farming" in UW/FOW as an arguement against this idea. Haha, thats all people do in either! It's all about ectos and shards!!! To be blunt, i'd love to see more people actually trying to complete the quest logs in both, over just smite runs or chest/armor runs. Some of the UW quests are super friggen tough and are for sure the most challanging areas in pve, very rare that someone clears out the entire FOW, let alone UW.

Ariana Of Damia · Jun 29, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

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Chaco Nautzi · Jun 30, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

I'd be up for the whole deal, minus messing with balthazars faction. PVP players are a different breed and most of them could care less about ecto/shards. Also you can earn balths faction from ANY pvp battle now, including alliance battles, zashin challenges, jade arena and so on... so those are right now not specifically tied to UW/FOW. So no on the messing with balths faction.

Im a Pvp player and Im hella poor...I still use my first and second PvE characters for PvP and I would prefer to get my necro out of a speedo, and into some of the canthan armor...

Alliance battles dont give out a whole lot of faction and zaishen challenges gave limited faction, and even if they dont now, not many pvp'ers(mostly the people who hang out in RA actually do these=.=) do them.
But I actually dont know why you care that they're not specifically tied to them right now...If you had read the thread he said that it was for pvp players that would want to gain some profit from doing what they love, just like pve'ers that earn money for doing what they love.

Nilator · Jun 30, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

All question answers for me = yes.

Valyrian_Steel · Jun 30, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I like em all

/sign

Witchblade · Jun 30, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

1a. Able to use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsedian Shards
No, shards are easy to get already
fow armors have become common as well
1b. Balthazar's Faction & Balthazar's Platinium Bars
No, useless to pvp-only players
RA d be more and more full of jerks leeching for gold
2. Earn titles based on amount of Balthazar's & Grenth's Faction redeemed
Yes, a bit more variety in titles is fine
3. Addition of Grenth's Faction
NO NO NO !!!
dont wanna see ectos at 500g !!

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jul 01, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Again, I thank you all for the feedback you have provided, much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Chaco Nautzi

>>I think that there is also one flaw in your whole idea. You see since they made factions they're going to be working on that for at least while, and since they are doing that I would think that they're done with the prophecies campaign excluding the minor tweaks that are in the updates. And by the time Anet's finished with Factions they will be on to the next GWs. So I really dont see much hope for your idea considering how much that it would take to do this,no matter how good of an idea it is.

Well, we have no control over this, Sardelac is just a suggestions forum. We present our ideas, discuss it with other members of the community, gather support, discuss and weed out potential problems that could be generated from this new idea, concept, proposal, and we will have to wait and see if ANET decides to do anything about it.

Successful examples would be Titles, abolishment of Refund Points, Pets and Henchmen with infused armor etc.

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

I'd be up for the whole deal, minus messing with balthazars faction. PVP players are a different breed and most of them could care less about ecto/shards.

But what about those who PvP using their RPG (Pve) characters?
Them PvEvPers are different from those pure PvPers.
I can understand why pure PvPers who constantly re-roll their PvP-only characters would not bother with ecto/shards, but for those PvEvPers who enjoy both PvE and PvP aspects of the game could benefit from this.

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Also you can earn balths faction from ANY pvp battle now, including alliance battles, zashin challenges, jade arena and so on... so those are right now not specifically tied to UW/FOW. So no on the messing with balths faction.

What is wrong with obtaining Obsidian Shards, in the Fissure of Woe which is Balthazar's domain, using Balthazar's Factions?

Both Balthazar's Faction and Fissure of woe are tied to Balthazar, that is all that it matters. Where we earn those Balthazar's Faction are irrelevant.

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Perhaps if you were to mention some kind of reward for uw/fow quest completion outside of the current system, it would benifit the cause a bit better.

What about a token system? Earn 1 (easy quests) to 5 (hard quests) tokens for completing quests in the Fissure of Woe or the Under World.

Bring tokens to a NPC in the Fissure of Woe or the Under World, redeem Obsidian Shards or Globs of Ectoplasm.

Say 10 tokens per Shard, 20 tokens per Ecto.

I think I will list this out as a new idea, and see how the people react to it. Might not need a Grenth's Faction if the token system is implemented instead. But the token system is similiar to the factions system, except that tokens can only be earned in the Fissure of Woe or Grenth's Faction, which could be a better choice instead?

Discuss.

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I laugh at those that are on about "promoting farming" in UW/FOW as an arguement against this idea. Haha, thats all people do in either! It's all about ectos and shards!!!

Sad but true, there are many interesting quests in the Fissure of Woe and the Under World, but the majority of the people only venture down there to farm ectos and shards.

This thread will serve to change this fact, if possible.

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To be blunt, i'd love to see more people actually trying to complete the quest logs in both, over just smite runs or chest/armor runs.

I would like to see that happen too. Hence this thread is born and maintained.

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Some of the UW quests are super friggen tough and are for sure the most challanging areas in pve, very rare that someone clears out the entire FOW, let alone UW.

Agreed. Hopefully this thread will gather enough support, and the ideas proposed are balanced out, and ANET would consider making some changes.

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

1a. Able to use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsedian Shards
No, shards are easy to get already
fow armors have become common as well

Just how easy are Shards to get already? And fow armors have become common? Do you have any solid evidence to back up your claims?

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1b. Balthazar's Faction & Balthazar's Platinium Bars
No, useless to pvp-only players
RA d be more and more full of jerks leeching for gold

It would not be useless to PvEvPers, PvP-only players can use the gold to buy new Guild Halls, so it would not be entirely useless to them.

As for the issue with leechers in Random Arenas, that issue could be resolved if a "Ban List" feature is implemented.

From: Various Suggested Ideas to improve Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry
0. The Ban List (by GrendelScout1)
Refer the example for an idea of how this would work:
1. John know Mary is a leecher, AFKer
2. John adds Mary to his Ban List
3. John clicks "Enter Mission" in any random arenas
4. John will never be placed in the same team with Mary

5. Other players who did not add Mary to their Ban List could be teamed up with Mary

6. Friends of John who know and trust his judgement also place Mary in thier respective Ban Lists.
7. John and his friends live happily ever after.

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2. Earn titles based on amount of Balthazar's & Grenth's Faction redeemed
Yes, a bit more variety in titles is fine

The problem is that Balthazar's Faction will be maxed out if one's account has unlocked all skills, runes, weapon upgrades, and will no longer be able to earn Balthazar's Faction.

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3. Addition of Grenth's Faction
NO NO NO !!!
dont wanna see ectos at 500g !!

That would never happen.
Prices of Ectos would never drop to 500g even if this idea is implemented.

Rikimaru · Jul 02, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

I Agree with the idea. I'd like to be able to earn gold through different means, that way it's less of a "grind". AB and Aspenwood are starting to drive me insane -_-"

The truth itself · Jul 02, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

So getting grenth faction is just farming random quests in UW, over and over again ?

No thanks..

I like:

1b
2

do not like:
1a
3

Cuthroat Dibbler · Jul 07, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

How about balth points for fame?
you tell me what would be a fair exchange scale....
just a thought....
but i have everything unlocked and 8000 balth faction in the bank.. so once it gets to 10k it sits there useless.... hmmmm
so i do all this honorable fighting and get no recognition OR reward?! Well thats not very good is it? Not very.... motivational.....

MMSDome · Jul 07, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

with this you will see more people going afk during battles.

Da Cebuano · Jul 07, 2006, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Let me point the ultimate downfall for this thread, as this was obviously made w/ personal motives in mind.

1. trading in the factions from pvp in UW or FOW = well, if this was a way for pvp people to get ecto and shard, doesn't it beat the whole purpose? if you're a pvp character, why would you use it for? much less get in to fow or UW. Which is exactly comes to point, this was made for pve people who do pvp(obviously the OP and few people here), while this was guised as pvp oriented benefit, pure pvp people get balls = no benefit from it since their prices are to be fetched where they can't go.

2. Platinum bars is just a bad Idea, the fact that it has a set price, not even gonna get into it.

Needless to say, this plan of benefits are seriously flawed, the titles seem niche, might work, but ultimately, there are enough pvp titles out there, having specific god based titles means that we'll have to have all titles for each god to fit each classes as to call it fair for people.

Acadia · Jul 07, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

/signed on all points

I don't see how adding this would ruin the game economy? Ecto would become like shards, something you use to get FoW armour. and the bars would become the 100k+ trading item.

Guildmaster Cain · Jul 07, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Scenario: Fight until you have 1000 Balthazar faction

Now: Go to Priest of Balthazar and unlock 1 skill with the money.

Future: -Go to NPC that gives you a platinum bar.
- Sell Platinum bar to NPC that gives you 1k
- Buy (& Unlock as well) skill for your PvE character at a Skilltrader for 50g-1000g.

tompilk · Jul 09, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

yes to it all!
i like the way that pvp would become a more productive method of farming (for the bars) and would therefore increase player interactivity, and therefore community spirit.
Tom

Kai Nui · Jul 09, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

I'm kind of disappointed in this thread. Guild Wars is already downspiralling away from the PVP goal that it used to have and now towards cheap linear pve land pve and thier greediness for money is bringing in new expansions faster and faster... I'll have to say NO WAY to all of this. Maybe if anything, they should add a domain for the other gods like Lyssa, Melandru, and Dwayna.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jul 09, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

Scenario: Fight until you have 1000 Balthazar faction

Now: Go to Priest of Balthazar and unlock 1 skill with the money.

Future: -Go to NPC that gives you a platinum bar.
- Sell Platinum bar to NPC that gives you 1k
- Buy (& Unlock as well) skill for your PvE character at a Skilltrader for 50g-1000g.

Thanks for pointing this out.
Well, I believe that this system of handing out platinium bars which is exchangable to gold is not really that feasable then.

Plus, there is the unresolvable issue of leechers, AFKers.

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What if we are be to acquire skill points using Balthazar's Factions?
What would everyone think of that?

For those who already unlocked everything with Balthazar's Faction, they will be able to continue to spend Balthazar's Faction, hence making the title based on the amount of Balthazar's Faction acquired possible to implement.

1,000 for 1 skill point? Too cheap?
5,000?
10,000?

Discuss.

Alleji · Jul 10, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

1a, 1b, 2, - yes
3 - no

However, the amount of gold given for balthazar faction would have to be adjusted. Faction is way too easy to earn. And enable the conversion only after you're fully unlocked.

some_dude_91 · Jul 10, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

im not too sure about the trading faction for ectos or shards... but the titles and bars sound cool...